Family Guy's "Evil Monkey", casting a judgment. |
Far more than I witness bigotry in religious discussion, I witness overly touchy religious people who go out of their way to disagree with you and then get defensive when you start dissecting their arguments and asking them to justify their positions, which they claim is unfair. They say they don't have to justify their position. And they're right, they don't have to, but in return they also cannot have any logical expectation of respect from me, as they have not given me enough to at least answer my line of questioning on their point of view. The bottom line is, if you don't even try to defend your position after making an assertion you don't get to whine about being persecuted.
Cultural relativists are the sort of people perpetuating the myth that judgments should not be made. Earlier tonight one of them saw this aphorism and fired back with this delightful tidbit:
"I understand your point, but reality isn't the same for every individual. For people who take a significant amount of comfort in a belief in God, God exists to them on a meaningful (but not material) level. Denying that is like denying that another person feels emotions like sadness or comfort. Just because something doesn't exist in your reality, that doesn't mean it doesn't appreciably impact someone else's life.
A Computer Generated Rendering of Bertrand's Teapot |
Whaaa? That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that we all still reserve the right to make judgments about the strength of a person's logic, whether we ever decide to share it with them or not. Their right to their belief doesn't change this. And no one is saying they have to defend their belief, I'm simply saying they can't come on other people's facebook walls, blogs, network t.v. talk shows, etc., proceed to disagree, and then get offended when their beliefs get challenged, and I think most people would agree that this isn't unreasonable. I also firmly believe we all have the human right to forcibly alter any belief of any person when it starts to do more than "appreciably impact" someone other than theirself in a negative way. For example, does a person still have a right to their beliefs if their child dies as a result of denying them medical care because they "believed" in their holistic medicine over scientifically proven modern medicine? I should think not. That's where I draw the line, and thankfully the government sides with me. They charge those parents with homicide. We have to face facts that there are universal parallels within all of our perspectives on reality, and whether you believe these truths to be true (for example, getting a tetanus shot upon cutting yourself with a rusty blade is a universally good idea no matter what one believes, as we all have a universal biological make up that doesn't change even if a person might be ignorant or oblivious of the fact, and even if that belief is "meaningful" to them) or not, meaningful or not, there is only one version of reality, and despite what our individual perspectives might be reality does not bend, change, or fold to cater to these.
A fun slogan for cultural relativists! |
And to this point here, someone else disagreed earlier stating,
"Individualism inherently has a breaking point to which anyone's comfort level is crossed. And since not everyone subscribes as strictly to logic as others, you will always be faced with argument of any kind, in any given society. Difference of opinion, and conviction in one's belief is what gives rise to the offense one takes when challenged or presented with any concept. However, do not be so naive to think that you can successfully alter someone's belief or deny them respect if their rationale does not follow the same standard as your own; it is counterproductive to gaining a higher-level understanding of the world we live in. Not everybody wants to be changed, nor challenged, and some do. But all are equally deserving of respect, at the very least, as equal human beings."
I don't disagree with people's beliefs being deserving of respect, I only argue that I lose all respect for any belief that endangers the lives of others. At this point there cannot be respect for it would not be mutual. Why should I respect a belief that does not respect a certain value of human life?
In closing, and as a friend of mine who is a Psychology of Religion professor would say, "You just got truth bombed!"
In closing, and as a friend of mine who is a Psychology of Religion professor would say, "You just got truth bombed!"